Ep. 136: Accommopocalypse Part Deux

Are you signed up for the June AND July LSAT exams? Well if so, don’t expect to get a refund if you crush it on the June exam and decide to cancel your July date. The guys share some news one of Nathan’s students found out from LSAC about refunds for the July test. Nathan and Ben also do a deep dive into some raw data regarding LSAT accommodations. Plus, the guys contemplate who should get paid for doing household chores, parse some data on how Americans generally pay for grad school, and, of course, answer some listener mail.

10:52 – Email 1—In the wake of discussions around public student loan forgiveness, Ben’s student Dan dug up some interesting data on how grad students are generally paying their way. Tune in to hear the guys talk about the gender split, how long students have been out of college before attending grad school, how most folks are paying for law school, and much more.

21:36 – Email 2—Avery is a bit bummed. Despite scoring an average of 175 on all of her recent practice, she’s just received her second 171 on record. So frustrating! She’s wondering: is this just my max score? Am I incapable of a better performance on the actual test? Does it make sense at all to try a third time? The guys give her a firm yes. Definitely take the test a third time, and a fourth and a fifth time! Take as many as you need to nab that 175. They also remind her that she is clearly capable of scoring higher, because she already has. Whether you’re sitting next to Many-Pencil-MacGubbins on test day, or you’re in your bedroom with an official practice test, you ARE taking the LSAT. Just make sure you’re not cheating…

36:22 – PSA—Hey, dear listeners. Remember a few episodes back when Nathan and Ben proposed teaching a class together? Possibly somewhere on the east coast? Possibly in NYC? Well, a number of you reached out and said that would be pretty badass. And we think so, too. But we need to know if there’s, like, sufficient interest to actually make this happen. You know when you’re in the bleachers of a high school sports game, and someone on the field is like, “hey are you excited?!” And you kind of scream. But then they’re like, “iiiii cannnn’tttt hear you.” And you scream louder. This. Is. That. Moment.

If you’re interested in attending a June LSAT prep class with Ben and Nathan in New York City in late May, send an email to help@thinkinglsat.com to let us know. Pretty soon, you may be cracking jokes and getting some serious pearls of LSAT wisdom in person.  

39:04 – Emails 3 & 4—Greg and anonymous write in with their thoughts on LSAT accommodations. Greg lays out his line of reasoning which ends with the complete dismissal of the LSAT as a viable exam, and reckons the guys will soon be out of work. Anon, on the other hand, just sends the straight shit: some serious data regarding LSAT test takers from LSAC itself. Ben and Nathan dive deep and discuss how accommodations are clearly tilting rather than leveling the playing field.


  1. Hello Guys! (Not entirely sure about where this question should be asked )

    Firstly, can’t thank you both enough for all that you share. As another listener recently mentioned *see Dave’s comment about geese in Ep.127* the LSAT is a terrifying goose staring you straight in the face, or at least, it was for me before I discovered Nathan’s short Intro to the LSAT book. Then I met Nathan two weeks ago and he mentioned this podcast. Now, I’m listening to a podcast every other day.

    I have been considering going to Law School for a little over 7 years, and decided to begin preparing for the LSAT two years ago. However, this does not mean I have been studying as you suggest people do, in fact, I have mostly just sat there, and thought -I should, like, start studying (*hence insert shared geese story sentiment here*). The step to actually studying has been my biggest challenge. When I knew I wanted to go to Law school (7 years ago) I wasn’t able to, because I had as a priority, a commitment to providing financial support for my parents, while I attended community college. Being in that situation meant 3 part jobs while taking 22 units at my community college. As you can imagine, something had to give, and eventually a friend said you need to stop all this, go. The situation changed 3 years ago when I transferred to a UC.

    So! I am graduating this June, was encouraged to apply to a Ph.D/J.D. program, and have considered this somewhat thoroughly. At the end of the day it looks like I should apply to both the law school and a Ph.D. separately. Then the thought became what if I get into a Ph.D program, but not a Law school and vice versa, leading me to the following question: If for some reason I could only do one program, which one would I want do? I was told that strategically I should pursue the Ph.D first, since that might be looked upon favorably by law schools. However, just today I heard that Law Schools do not take into consideration how well you might have done in a grad program and only take into account your undergraduate GPA. Is this true? If that is the case I think I would prefer to pursue a J.D first…?

    Oh yes, I don’t think I actually said it – I love the podcasts, and this site. Again, THANK YOU!


    1. Don’t do both. Decide what career you want, and then pursue that degree. If you want to practice law, go get a JD and forget about the PhD. If you want to do something else, go do that. Glad you like the show, and good luck!


  2. You would keep taking the LSAT until you got a 175? But.. what if it’s my 4th time taking the test. What if my score goes down. Doesn’t that look bad?


      1. Taking the test more than 4 times though?


        1. LSAC only lifted the “three times in two years” restriction last year, so we haven’t yet seen a full admissions cycle with people taking the test more than three times. But, as Ben and I discussed at length on the most recent episode, it would be stupid for law schools to discriminate against people who take the test several times. They would only be hurting themselves! We have to assume that they are not idiots. Therefore, we have to assume that all they are going to care about is your highest score, no matter how many times you take it.


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