Episode 54: LSAT Test-Day Horror Stories, Tips for Attending LSAC Law School Forums and an Interview with a Criminal Defense Lawyer

Fire alarms, marching bands and mice … oh my! Listeners Ayung and Lauren share their LSAT test day horror stories. We discuss what to do when you encounter the unexpected in the test room, and how test-takers can sometimes turn a bad situation to their advantage. (7:30)

We stop talking about the LSAT and start talking about law TV! Nathan recommends two shows, one of which has shown him more courtroom trial footage in ten hours than law school did in three years. (16:45)

After misunderstanding the 5-minute warning policy on test day and panicking, Nabiel is worried his LSAT score will be lower than he hoped and plans to retake in June. We urge him to make some big changes in his study strategy for the coming months. (28:17)

Following a positive experience she had at a recent LSAC Law School Forum, Kaley writes in to encourage others to make the most of this resource. We agree, and follow up with advice on forum preparation, making a lasting impression, and even what you should wear to the event! (38:00)

Kaley, currently in a wait-list situation herself, compiled a list of past “Thinking LSAT” episodes where the wait-list issue was discussed. (45:00)

A double-major in electrical engineering and computer science, listener Ben is worried his GPA isn’t high enough to get him into a top-tier law school, even if he does great on the LSAT. We talk about GPA vs. LSAT score in the admissions process and whether the type of degree a person has earned impacts their law school application. (46:15)

Ben must abruptly exit Episode #54 when his son makes an adorable request for him to “come watch Octonauts”; Nathan laughs and laughs. (1:02:20)

Nathan interviews Kevin Hayslett, a full-time criminal defense lawyer/part-time radio personality lawyer. (1:03:20)

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  1. Whoa, fascinating (potentially life-changing for prospective lawyers) interview with Kevin Hayslett. He comes off as more of a stereotypical, pompous or “showman” type attorney, but wow, overall, what an articulate and influential guest to have on the show. His serendipitous path to a successful career in law really caught my attention (especially after never attending a well-established college or law school). I also found his domineering personality to be very entertaining and a nice change of pace. Here are some takeaways I thought were particularly interesting:

    Why he became a lawyer? Good at debate, no problem being confrontational, supremely confident, very goal oriented.

    Why not to be a lawyer now? Price of J.D. is not affordable or worth the value it used to be, too many lawyers now for everyone to ride the gravy train, not everyone is wired to handle the everyday adversarial court setting.

    I think more attorney guests (not necessarily specializing in criminal defense) on future podcasts would be fantastic!


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  2. I watched Making a Murderer a few months ago, and it only strengthened my drive to go to law school. Whether I go for criminal or not (I am not sure yet exactly what I want to practice in), one of the main reasons behind my desire to become a lawyer is I want to help people, and the world always needs lawyers to help people in all kinds of ways. I have my own opinions about Making a Murderer, as does everyone else who knows about it, but what do you guys think of the Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey cases? I am just wondering is all. I’ll understand if you’re not comfortable sharing, but thought I’d ask. Your podcasts are awesome and love the tips. I’m so glad I found this site


    1. Hi EA, thanks for listening, and for commenting! I did watch “Making a Murderer,” and found it fascinating watching the lawyers, especially the press conferences after court each day. I have no opinion on the cases themselves.


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