Episode 74: Trumpocalypse and the Silver Lining, wsg Ann Levine

Feeling down about the election/the country/the very fabric of your existence?? Fear not, dear listeners, Nathan knows what will turn that frown upside-down…more LSAT prep! In the wake of Trumpocalypse, he is offering a $200 discount on his online, on demand prep course. This offer ends November 15 so use code ‘Trumpocalypse’ to sign up, rock the LSAT, become a lawyer, and save us all! (7:40)

We receive a grateful email from “Leaf” who used the Thinking LSAT Podcast to keep herself entertained at the gym. She especially found Mike from Episodes 66 and 72.5 compelling, as she too struggles with over-preparation and score anxiety. We applaud her ‘beast-like’ work ethic and talk about the three R’s of LSAT prep-Review, Review, Review. Hopefully, a more thorough understanding of the toughest questions can provide Leaf with some peace of mind and her dream score. (8:38)

Namrada does well in the early sections of her practice tests but starts to fatigue as she goes on; she is worried about her stamina when it comes to taking an entire LSAT on test day. We recommend good sleep, deep breaths, and some chair yoga and to stay fresh and alert on the big day. (39:15)

Scott is great at finding flaws in Logical Reasoning problems, however he doesn’t always find the right flaw. Ben offers two stages of analysis for Flaw questions and Nathan advises Scott to slow down and consider all the answer choices before rushing into choosing one. (48:29)

We interview Law School Expert Ann Levine about trends she has noticed in this year’s admission cycle so far. She offers advice on Early Decision, application timelines, and school interviews. Ann also has a pep talk for those future lawyers who may be disappointed in Tuesday’s election results. (58:10)

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  1. Ben and Nathan,

    Nice job on the podcast and keep up the good work!

    This has been covered in previous segments but I was wondering if you guys could further discuss the topic of studying and working full-time?

    1) Does it it ever make sense to quit your full-time job to study for the LSAT?

    2) What are some strategies for managing work stress and fatigue?
    Meditating has been mentioned but any others?

    3) What other tips/advice, if any, do you have for people that work full-time?

    My Situation:
    I’ve been working full-time for the past 2+ years and intend on applying in Fall of 2017. I may end up taking one or all of the February, June, and Sept/Oct LSATs.

    A Typical Work Day (including transit) = 7:00am – 7:00pm (12 hrs) Breakfast/dinner/self-maintenance = 2 hrs
    Sleep = 7 to 7.5 hrs.
    Study = 2.5 to 3 hrs
    M-F Studying Hours (x5) = 12.5 to 15 hrs

    Other Factors:
    Soccer = 2 games per week (at least -3 hrs)
    Gym/More Soccer/Gaming = -1.5 hrs
    Procrastination/Reading/Other Time Loss = -2 hrs

    Realistic Time Spent on LSAT (M-F) = 6 hrs – 8.5 hrs.
    Studying for 4 days = 1.5 – 2 hrs/day

    Typical Study Day = One practice section before work followed by 1 – 1.5 hours of review after work.

    – I usually spend 2-3 hrs/day if I’m studying theory.
    – 3-6 hrs/day if I take a PT and review. It usually takes me at least 6 hours to fully review one PT.

    Original PT = mid-140s
    Present level (After 3 2010+ PTs) = low 150s was my highest.

    I don’t really have a target score as I feel that it only serves as a distraction.

    Lastly, shout out to the people working full-time! It’s not easy! It makes my college lifestyle seem cute in comparison! I can’t imagine doing this and having the additional burden of maintaining a family. Nuts!


    1. Awesome, thanks so much! We’ll put this on the agenda for the next episode. Stay tuned 🙂


  2. I’m 55. Working in my third career as a PI(retired criminal Investigator and retired from USAF).

    My wife is a paralegal for local DA. All children are grown and on their own.

    What are some pros n cons to starting fourth career at 55, especially in law?
    I have life experience in the criminal justice system and a pension…that is not sufficient to support everyday living if I didn’t supplement as a PI.

    Masters degree in business management and leadership


    1. Hey Ken-

      The main downside is the cost. Read Campos, Don’t Go To Law School (Unless) for a sobering look at the economic realities most law school graduates will face. Basically it argues that at today’s prices law school is a bad investment for almost everyone. I have a hard time disagreeing.

      The main upside is, potentially, a very rewarding career that you can’t get any other way.

      To oversimplify, if you can’t sleep at night unless you become a practicing attorney, then you should consider going to law school (but do the math, and make sure it pencils out.) If you CAN sleep at night without being a lawyer, then you probably shouldn’t go to law school at all–and definitely shouldn’t pay too much (or anything) if you do.

      Hope that helps! Thanks for listening, and thanks for writing.


  3. What is a diversity statement, and should I submit one? Because the only documents I’ve seen requested on school websites are: personal statement, addendum, resume. Doesn’t the CAS indicate your diversity profile for you?


    1. I’ve added this to the agenda for discussion on a future show. Thanks for listening, and for reaching out.


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