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Episode 94: You want to talk about Wonder Woman?

Note! Today’s show notes are a direct transcription of the entire one hour, 36 minute show, with timestamps every 30 seconds. If you read them, you will learn that Nathan says “yeah” a lot. Also, that the sentence “You want to talk about Wonder Woman?” appears shortly before the 5:30 milepost. Find out what the hell Nathan is talking about and tune in!


Nathan Fox:         Hello and welcome to episode 94 of the Thinking LSAT Podcast in Los Angeles. I’m Nathan Fox. With me in Washington DC, Ben Olson. Ben, how are you doing?


Ben Olson:            Doing great.


Nathan Fox:         We have big backlogs still of emails that we could try to crank through today. We also have a couple [00:00:30] new stories to talk about. The first one, I just got this this morning. Haven’t had much time to look at it, much time to look into it, but it’s a story from law.com about the LSAC’s new CEO, which I did see that headline yesterday. It’s University of Washington School of Law Dean Kellye Testy. Kellye, I [00:01:00] don’t know. Kellye maybe. It’s just K-E-L-L-Y-E. Let’s say Kellye. Kellye. Then, her last name is Testy. She’s going to be the CEO of the LSAT test maker in LSAC.


Ben Olson:            Now, from what I understand, the CEO position rotates from law school dean to law school dean on a yearly basis, or every other year, or something like that. I actually don’t know. Is this something different in terms of … [00:01:30] I guess, what I’m wondering, is this a new position, a new process, or just a new person who’s like, “Hey, I think we should have more tests”?


Nathan Fox:         That, I have no idea, but a couple of interesting things I thought in the story. One is that the LSAC is apparently kicking around the idea of offering additional test states, and they are going to, hopefully, decide [00:02:00] later this month at their Bay meeting. We don’t have any news about that, but we do have, at least, a teaser of, boy, that would be great if they did offer additional test states.


It seems as if she, or, at least, the story is positioning it as if she might be a little bit of a backlash from what happened in 1996. It says in ’96, that’s when Arizona became the first law school to accept GRE schools in addition to LSAT [00:02:30] scores. The counsel, the LSAC, threatened to boot Arizona from its membership. Deans from 149 schools, including Dean Testy, signed a letter supporting Arizona’s right to experiment with the GRE. The council eventually backed off.


Then, there’s a quote in this new story from Arizona Law [00:03:00] Dean Mark Miller who seems to be happy about Testy’s selection. It seems like Arizona is seeing this as a move in the right direction, and that they’re hoping to have a little bit better relationship with the LSAC moving forward.


Ben Olson:            Yeah, that’s interesting. It’s so funny how these two things have come out in the last few months, right? One, the digital LSAT trial. [00:03:30] Then, now, someone who might want to offer additional test states. These are earthquakes in the industry that’s-


Nathan Fox:         I know.


Ben Olson:            … perpetually silent, yeah.


Nathan Fox:         I’m wondering if we should take full credit or do you think partial credit?


Ben Olson:            Let’s think here for a second. I think full is the only thing that makes sense.


Nathan Fox:         None of this has ever happened until we started talking about it.

Ben Olson:            [00:04:00] Yeah.

Nathan Fox:         Correlation is a perfect causation. Yeah, we talked about it, and it started happening. Yeah, you’re welcome everybody out there. Cool. Yeah, this seems like good news. How quickly they will move, we don’t know or we could speculate that they’re not going to move very quickly, but the competition from GRE does seem to have [00:04:30] a lit fire under them. Yeah, cool.


Ben Olson:            Nothing like a little motivation.


Nathan Fox:         Yeah, yeah, immediate. Of course, that causal relationship isn’t 100% clear either. It could be that these things were already in the works, but, yeah, it does seem pretty convenient that as soon as the GRE starts posing them some real competition, they actually have to start modernizing and making themselves a little bit more friendly for test takers. The fact that it’s only offered for four times a year is really, [00:05:00] really unfriendly. That is such a pain in the ass that it’s only offered four times a year. They just need to double that, at least, or just go ahead, and make it continuously offered like every other modern test. There’s that. You posted to the agenda this thing about Wonder Woman. You want to talk about Wonder Woman?


Ben Olson:            Yeah. The [00:05:30] movie, Wonder Woman, is coming out soon. The lead actress is Gal Gadot. I think that’s how you say her name.


Nathan Fox:         You don’t want to say Gadot on that?


Ben Olson:            Yeah, I don’t know. I’m horrible at pronouncing stuff.


Nathan Fox:         I don’t know either.


Ben Olson:            Gadot, yeah. The only reason I posted this is because, I guess, she’s been in the Fast and Furious franchise movies for a while. I guess she’s always been [00:06:00] getting these secondary parts. She’s wanted to get more of a main role in some movies, but she kept getting really close, and then not getting it. In this article on Yahoo! Movies, this is quoting her, she says, “I was very lucky to get this part,” the main character in Wonder Woman, the movie that’s coming out, “but I don’t feel like I just blew up.” I [00:06:30] don’t know what that means. “I got to a point, just before Wonder Woman, when I had so many almost a great audition, a great camera test, but always the runner up that I got to the point that I was ready to give up and go back to law school.”


When I read that, I was like, “What?” Even if you’re getting not the main part of a movie, I think that [00:07:00] even having a secondary role would just be so much more interesting and fulfilling than a law school degree.


Nathan Fox:         Yeah, it would be more fun, more glamorous, more remunerative, better in every way. Yeah, she’s got the drive inside of her, I guess. Now, she’s rewarded. The fact that we grow in a DC [00:07:30] comics movie. Cool.


Ben Olson:            Totally pointless. Just I was surprised that someone would still have a fallback to law school from an acting career. That seems pretty successful. People know who she is even if she hadn’t gotten this role.


Nathan Fox:         Yeah. I hope that movie is good.


Ben Olson:            Yeah, I hope so.


Nathan Fox:         What did I see the other day about superhero movies? It was [00:08:00] a little quick infographic, and it was ranking weirdly by race and name. It was ranking all the Marvel superheroes. It had white dudes named Chris outnumber all women superheroes [00:08:30] in the entire Marvel universe.


Ben Olson:            Yeah, wow.


Nathan Fox:         White dudes named Chris, more of them have been in more Marvel movies than all women combined. It was pretty awesome. If I can take that up, I will. Wait, I’m going to try it right now. This is going to make for a great radio, by the way.


Ben Olson:            Wait, the actor’s name is Chris or the character is named Chris? [00:09:00] I don’t even know these characters’ real names.


Nathan Fox:         No, the actor.


Ben Olson:            Okay, okay.


Nathan Fox:         The actor, yeah. Wait, that’s not the one. I can’t find. Yeah, because it’s like Chris Pratt, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, and Chris O’Donnell. That’s older, but yeah. Hemsworth has been Thor three times. [00:09:30] Then, it was a cool infographic, but it was stacked up like this bar chart. They were putting the head. It was like they had the square icon of the guy. It was a stack of these square images of white dudes named Chris. Then, it was like this multicolored stack of all women, but it didn’t come nearly as high as the stack of white Chrises.


Ben Olson:            Yeah, it is weird. What’s her name? [00:10:00] Scarlet Johansson. That’s her name? Black Widow, right? Why hadn’t they done a movie about that? That would be cool. They should. I think one is in the works, I’m assuming.


Nathan Fox:         Yeah. Women just get hosed in Hollywood, period. Women just don’t get lead roles. That’s how it is. Movies are about men. That’s slowly, slowly changing in Hollywood, [00:10:30] especially as more women actually make films themselves, but that’s been a big time problem for a long time in Hollywood.


Ben Olson:            That does seem a little ironic. Hollywood seems to portray itself as this holier-than-thou, we-know-what’s-going-on center.


Nathan Fox:         Yeah, but, at the same time, it’s like unbelievably shallow, and unbelievably just marketing-driven and traditional really. [00:11:00] They’re making movies for the center of the country and for the entire world. They play it at the lowest common denominator. They put pretty faces and boobs. Then, it’s like all the dude actually are [inaudible 00:11:14]. It’s just the way they have historically rolled. It seems as if we’re coming into a more modern time. That’s good for everybody. We will post links to this stuff in the show notes. I’ll try to dig up [00:11:30] that cool infographic because I thought it was interesting.


Another email here. It says, “Hi Nathan and Ben. I’ve found that I perform best on the test after I listened to an episode of Thinking LSAT prior to taking a test, especially one that focuses on substance as opposed to admission advice or career advice.”